riosleftsock
11:59 Thu Dec 11
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Quite a lot of people saying what the americans have done wrong, wonderful hindsight, but very little form our knicker-wetters on what they would do.
Apart from offering a teddy that looks like George Bush and asking Mohammed where he touched him?
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Justin R
11:57 Thu Dec 11
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Yup, the CIA have definitely made us all safer! Yessiree!!
GO SPOOKS!
Definitely no major fuck ups in their locker.
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riosleftsock
11:56 Thu Dec 11
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cholo
Its quite likely that the interrogation techniques have saved lives. I wouldn't want these techniques used in any other theatre of war, but with this particular enemy the gloves must be OFF.
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Ronald_antly
11:52 Thu Dec 11
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By the way, anyone who is genuinely interested in what goes on at Club Guantanamo would do well to get a copy of the books by Australians David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib.
The place clearly IS operated by people who enjoy making people suffer.
And it really doesn't seem to matter who they are or what they have(n't) done.
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cholo
11:52 Thu Dec 11
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Rios wrote
I'm sorry if a few innocent muslims are killed or maimed, but I would prefer that than run the risk of thousands of innocent english and westerners are killed as a result of their arped ideaology.
Of course, but we keep going back to the question of whether these techniques have actually prevented any acts of terrorism.
If it turns out they have not, which is quite possible.
Are they still justified?
*I'm asking what would it take for you to agree the interrogation techniques are not justified?
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Ronald_antly
11:45 Thu Dec 11
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No correction on "ideaology" then?
You really have no idea, do you? And I'm not talking about your spelling this time.
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riosleftsock
11:40 Thu Dec 11
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*warped*
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riosleftsock
11:39 Thu Dec 11
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cholo
The conventions on torture were designed for a different age, a different threat and a different enemy.
The people in our security services are not some cruel, Marquis de Sade types, I'd imagine many of them had serious misgivings about what they did. But they are doing their best to deal with an utterly ruthless and cowardly enemy, they are not fighting us with normal means.
I'm sorry if a few innocent muslims are killed or maimed, but I would prefer that than run the risk of thousands of innocent english and westerners are killed as a result of their arped ideaology.
Any government's first duty is to ensure the security of the nation.
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cholo
11:22 Thu Dec 11
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Ridik
Have proof they were all operating with terrorists then?
No, not even the cia did.
Stop being silly Ridik, rid yourself of this cognitive bias, it doesn't do you any good.
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Ridikzappa
11:17 Thu Dec 11
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Cholo
No one is innocent if 'found' be operating with terrorists.
Stop being a self hating, leftist bedwetter
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Texas Iron
11:16 Thu Dec 11
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So Obama admits to US torture in order for the US to "Regain the Moral High Ground..."...
...and yet he authorized many Drone Strikes that killed at least several hundred innocent men women & children...as collateral damage...
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cholo
11:11 Thu Dec 11
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rios
Fine, I have no sympathy for terrorists and of course the cia have an incredibly difficult task, no one would envy them.
However, what about the ones who weren't terrorists?
Some of those "interrogated" were innocent fathers, brothers,sons.
Gets a bit more difficult to justify on those terms doesn't it?
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bruuuno
11:05 Thu Dec 11
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Implants was just a suggestion, There's prob other things the via boffin cunts can do
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bruuuno
11:04 Thu Dec 11
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I think from a practical point of view torture is a bad idea. I think it would be more beneficial to realease the prisoners and keep a very close eye on them (implants).. So they lead you to their mates etc. fuck knows the yank mil have got enough dough and technology to do pretty much anything these days
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riosleftsock
10:53 Thu Dec 11
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I'll ask again, just in case any of the hair-shirt Annie Lennox vesbians on here can be arsed to answer....
"Tell me about who compiled the report, how long did it take, who did they interview?
The report is a piece of political rubbish. "
Hindsight is a cunts way of looking at events, I personally think we spent decades pussyfooting about with these cunts and they needed and still need to feel that when they push their bayonets at us they will only meet steel.
There is no liberal, nice way of dealing with this mentality, we don't particularly like being like this, but it is all they understand. They are not ready to come to the table with reasonable demands.
Fuck em.
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zebthecat
10:45 Thu Dec 11
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I am not sure as to why they used "brutal" interrogation methods. It really is torture as waterboarding is actually drowning people just stopping short killing them. literally rinse and repeat.
It had been known for a while that a while that it is crap at extracting information. It is, however, a pretty good intimidation weapon. Being a cynical git I reckon the CIA knew exactly what they were doing and why.
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LondonE3
10:23 Thu Dec 11
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- "Suspects were interrogated using methods such as waterboarding, slapping, humiliation, exposure to cold and sleep deprivation."
Doesn't sound too bad as far as torture goes. Not a patch on the Tudors or the Spanish Inquisition.
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Nutsin
9:59 Thu Dec 11
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Organized Chaos
Let's keep it sensible..... At times when we are under attack and real threat for our lives by terrorists, like we were on 9/11, do you still hold your moral high ground argument?
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Organi5ed Chao5
9:47 Thu Dec 11
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Nutsin 9:06 Thu Dec 11
"I mean are the odds greater of averting another attack better or worse if we do or if we don't interrogate terrorists? What do you think?"
By that logic, lets interrogate every one because we can avert all kinds of crimes and attacks that way.
Let us beat up and torture every while male over 50, because they might be a paedo or will be able to give us information about other paedos they might know.
Lets lock up all young black youths so that way none can be on the street mugging people on the way home from Westfield.
Going back to your question, I actually think it will make things worse. Will ISIS and Al Qaeda be more or less motivated to carry out attacks and take & kill hostages?
I think we have truly lost the moral high ground and its another blow to the disastrous War on Terror.
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Texas Iron
9:33 Thu Dec 11
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Betcha The Mossad would never admit to "Torture"
'...
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riosleftsock
9:19 Thu Dec 11
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Sue Perdupa 6:09 Thu Dec 11
Tell me about who compiled the report, how long did it take, who did they interview?
The report is a piece of political rubbish.
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